Welsh National 2011 Trends and Tips
Apologies everyone but responsibilities elsewhere have not left me as much time as I would like to devote to the blog in recent weeks – I hope things will improve after Xmas.
The Welsh National is fast approaching and I see that you have all started work on this excellent race so I will keep things relatively brief. I can pass on that the Jonjo O’Neill team are very keen on the chance of Synchronised and whilst this is no great surprise given his market position, I was lucky enough to attend a recent media day at the stables and the O’Neill team suggested a quiet confidence that Synchronised could match Bonanza Boy in the 80s and win back to back Welsh Nationals. There was no mention of the possibility of the Lexus chase that I heard on that stable visit but obviously plans can change but I would still be surprised if connections elect to travel to Ireland.
I have also added some basic stats for the Welsh National which I have amended from last year which are outlined below:
Trainers
Trainers to look out for here are Paul Nicholls (two wins and five placed including a famous 1-2-3 in 2005), Jonjo O’Neill two wins, Alan King one win and three placed and Venetia Williams one win and three placed in the last ten years.
Trainers with a disappointing record include Nicky Henderson and David Pipe who have had just one placed horse in the last ten years. However Pipe jnr will undoubtedly be keen to put that record right given that his father won this race five times in six years back in the 90s.
Irish trainers have had a poor record in this race with the exception of Jim Dreaper who won this race in 2008 with Notre Pere.
Age
None of the last ten winners were aged older than nine so any of this year’s representatives in double figures will have to buck a trend that stretches back to the ten-year-old Riverside Boy in 1993. There have only been three ten-year-old winners since 1976 and no winner over that age.
Recent Form
Nine of the last ten winners had finished in the first four on their most recent start (Synchronised the exception) so coming into this race in decent form seems a big plus given the extreme competitive nature of the race and the inevitable soft conditions also means that fitness is usually at a premium.
Stamina
All ten recent winners had won over at least three miles with six winners having winning form over further. This doesn’t appear a race to take a chance on your selection getting home.
Avoid Over Raced Horses
All of the last ten winners had only run twice in that season at most. It would seem that any horse that has been busy by the time of this race is at a disadvantage.
Course Form
Course experience is always a bonus but this seems to be quite pronounced at Chepstow with seven out of the last ten winners already a winner at the track.
Please now add your thoughts and tips for the 2011 Welsh National to this page






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#1
December 23rd, 2011 09:41
Any Currency is potentially the best handicapped horse in the field.
#2
December 23rd, 2011 12:55
I can’t see past Giles Cross to win this. But surely Ballyfitz is worth a quid e/w at 20-1
#3
December 23rd, 2011 17:07
merry christmas o Darren of Admin!
Do we really think Syncronised will swerve this chance of back to back welsh nationals for the Lexus as Showlad suggested may be the plan!?
Showlad where did you hear this?!
the weight may tell but it would be close.
It is throwing me! cause as we all know Sync usually beats Giles
Have taken 25s e/w on our old fav Ballyfitz – would love to see him pop a clearish round of jumping and win something big! shame I won’t be watching live this yr if this dream happens
public transport here I come!
Any Currency needs to top3 and get that OR up! I’m sure he can do that at Chepstow, but there are a few here with a potentially stronger finish.
If Sync and Le Beau Bai turn up then Giles and Any Currency are in big trouble. Come on the Fitz
Then theres the rest of the pack! we may be in the dark over! hope people discuss any dark horses we may be overlooking quick, price crash already in progress! and I’m off tmw
Oh! do I seem to recall that 7 is quite a number regarding this race,…. Galaxy Rock!? and I’m forgetting my little winning friend Carruthers here to, is that foolish? he is in fine fettle!
#4
December 23rd, 2011 17:36
Leopardstown is currently soft and there isn’t a great deal of rain forecast over the next few days. I know synchronised’s preference is to go for lexus (heard jonjo say it in interview as JP is flying over from America to leopardstown to watch) but if it’s only soft I’m sure it will take the welsh national and heavy ground.
#5
December 23rd, 2011 18:41
on viking blond and any currency. think any currency is too slow for the grand national but the welsh should suit if he doesn’t get too far behind
#6
December 23rd, 2011 18:45
thanks for clarification Billymag, interesting maybe he will show…. merry christmas to you
My christmas wish here is that a some more familiar faces comeback and have there say for this brilliant race and ofcourse the big one, atleast post a christmas vote on our new top6 Grand national thread
shouting out to..
The Stayer, Silver Birch, Rascal, TC, Bry, Gammers,.. the list goes on. You know who you are!
Can I also suggest we post a top 4 for the welsh national?
the 1st nomination being your no.1 top pick,
1,2 and 3 in order.
the 4th nomination having to have a good helping of christmas value about it! If it features in your top3 you can vote for it again in the value 4th spot….does that make sense.
Syncronised broke a few welsh stats last yr, I was going to repost, updated stats then pressed wrong button and its all disppeared grrr, can’t find original now…so in short,
carrying over 11’3 was unusual and it was only his 5th chase, cusp point for this race, so pretty inexperienced.
Having run a race placed or unplaced at 30f+ is a good pointer failing that a previous liking of chepstow is a must. 1 or 2 runs this season is a long running stat, I’d imagine most have that,… but I haven’t crunched the numbers. Anyone want to save me time whose ahead here please?
#7
December 23rd, 2011 22:00
This is simply been copied and pasted from the Dec/Jan thread.
Dosage is about a horse’s stamina against it’s speed.
How do we find this out?
We look for special sires, namely Chef De race or to put it in Ben’s terms Master Of The Breed. We go back 4 generations with each generation having half the points of the generation in front of it. So 1st generation has 16 points, 2nd generation has 8 points each, 3rd generation has 4 points each and finally the 4th generation has 2 points each. These points only count if the sire is one of these special sires otherwise the points is zero.
These points can be from any of these 5 traits, brilliant, intermediate, classic, solid and professional. Brilliant and intermediate belong to the speed side of the equation while solid and professional belong to the stamina side. Classic is split equally between the two.
These five figures make the other three. Dosage Profile (DP ) is simply adding the five figures together. It is always even and lies between zero and 64 the higher the figure the classier the horse (or at least in theory. )
Dosage Index (DI ) is simply dividing the speed half of the equation (including half the classic figures ) by the stamina figures (including the other half of the classic figures ). The DI is always written to 2 decimal places, the only exception is infinity. A DI of 1.00 is a perfect balance while below shows more stamina and above more speed.
The third figure is the centre of distribution ( CD ) and shows how far a horse should get. To work out the CD you must double the brilliant points and add the intermediate points this is the speed side of the equation while the stamina side of the equation we double the professional points and add the solid. We then take away the stamina points from the speed points. We then divide the answer by the DP and this leaves us with a figure between -2.00 to 2.00 (the only exception is infinity ). A figure of 0.00 is a perfect balance while a negative figure shows a liking for long distances while a positive figure for shorter distance. The CD like the DI is always written to 2 decimal places.
Now I’ve explained the basics on dosage, I’ll explain my table. First I take the first fifteen (15) separate winners who are dosage strong. Ben used to say 6 or less is dosage weak, but after much thought I decided to include those on 8 as well. That means the sample will be those on 10 or higher.
I take the average of the DI and CD and then the average of those above and below the original average. These figures along with the boundary of the sample form my markers.
Using my markers I then set up nine categories instead of the original seven like last year.
The nine categories are
Extremely positive
Positive
Slightly Positive
Above Average
Average
Below Average
Slightly Negative
Negative
Extremely Negative.
#8
December 23rd, 2011 22:32
Okay now for the new stuff. Here are the past fifteen winners whose DP is Ten or better.
2010 Syncronised (5,1,24,8,0) DP 38 DI 0.90 CD 0.08
2009 Dream Alliance (1,1,8,3,3) DP 16 DI 0.60 CD -0.38
2006 Halcon Genelardias (2,0,7,5,0) DP 14 DI 0.65 CD -0.07
2004 Silver Birch (2,0,4,8,6) DP 20 DI 0.25 CD -0.80
2003 Bindaree (1,1,3,4,1) DP 10 DI 0.54 CD -0.30
2002 Mini Sensation (3,1,10,0,0) DP 14 DI 1.80 CD 0.50
2001 Supreme Glory (6,1,1,8,6) DP 22 DI 0.52 CD -0.32
2000 Jock’s Cross (2,1,7,0,6) DP 16 DI 0.68 CD -0.44
1997 Earth Summit (3,0,11,2,0) DP 16 DI 1.13 CD 0.25
1992 Run For Free (7,0,9,0,2) DP 18 DI 1.77 CD 0.56
1990 Cool Ground (2,0,8,2,0) DP 12 DI 1.00 CD 0.17
1989 Bonanza Boy (2,2,4,0,4) DP 12 DI 1.00 CD -0.17
1987 Playschool (7,2,5,10,6) DP 30 DI 0.62 CD -0.20
1986 Stearsby (2,4,2,8,0) DP 16 DI 0.78 CD 0.00
1985 Run And Skip (8,0,8,0,2) DP 18 DI 2.00 CD 0.67
I know the are some missing years: However these winners were used in my sample.
This sample gives me boundaries of 0.61, 0.94, 1.45 and 2.00 in the DI & -0.33, -0.03, 0.31 and 0.67 in the CD.
All of which will be made clearer when I post my table.
#9
December 24th, 2011 11:46
Okay here is my dosage table for the Welsh national. They are rated first by their DI and CD values, then by if they have points across the board (PATB) Ben thinks these are all Rounders and maybe a bit more special, finally by their DP value, the higher the better. Remember although I’ve ranked them it is not a rating like you use in racing post or timeform, it is just an indicator to if they get the trip according to their breeding.
Group 1 is EXTREMELY POSITIVE and to fall in this group their DI must have a value of 0.61 or less and their CD must have a value of -0.33 or less.
1 Blazing Bailey [3,0,16,2,9] DP 30 DI 0.58 CD -0.47
2 Cannington Brook [1,0,12,7,2] DP 22 DI 0.47 CD -0.41
3 Ballyfitz [3,0,3,10,2] DP 18 DI 0.33 CD -0.44
3 Incentivise [0,0,4,4,10] DP 18 DI 0.13 CD -1.33
5 Heathcliff [0,0,7,7,0] DP 14 DI 0.33 CD -0.50
The 2nd group is POSITIVE this group has similar values to the extremely positive group but for only one not both.
6 Alderluck [0,3,4,0,5] DP 12 DI 0.71 CD -0.58
The 3rd group is SLIGHTLY POSITIVE to get in this group their DI value must fall between 0.62 to 0.94 while their CD must also be between -0.32 to -0.03
7 Hey Big Spender [2,1,13,4,4] DP 24 [PATB] DI 0.66 CD -0.29
8 Galaxy Rock [2,1,11,4,4] DP 22 [PATB] DI 0.63 CD -0.32
9 Mid Div And Creep [2,2,5,1,4] DP 14 [PATB] DI 0.87 CD -0.21
10 Carruthers [2,1,11,6,0] DP 20 DI 0.74 CD -0.05
The 4th group in my table is ABOVE AVERAGE the values in the DI and CD may look similar to the slightly positive group but only one of them fits the previous values.
11 Synchronised [5,1,24,8,0] DP 38 DI 0.90 CD 0.08
The 5th group is called AVERAGE and they all have a value of 0.95 to 1.45 in their DI and a value of -0.02 to 0.31 in their CD.
12 Giles Cross [2,3,9,4,0] DP 18 DI 1.12 CD 0.17
13 Any Currency [3,1,8,4,0] DP 16 DI 1.00 CD 0.19
13 Master Overseer [4,1,7,4,0] DP 16 DI 1.13 CD 0.31
15 Victory Gunner [4,0,6,4,0] DP 14 DI 1.00 CD 0.29
The 6th group is called BELOW AVERAGE the values of their DI and CD may look very similar to the average group but again only one actually fits the previous values.
16 Indifference Curve [1,3,14,0,0] DP 18 DI 1.57 CD 0.28
17 Sona Sasta [5,1,6,2,0] DP 16 DI 1.29 CD 0.44
18 Our Island [4,0,6,2,0] DP 12 DI 1.40 CD 0.50
Now we enter the negative range starting with our 7th group SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE this group brings us to the value of our sample so the has been winners with these values.
The DI must be between 1.46 to 2.00 [ Run And Skip had a DI of 2.00 ] while the CD must be between 0.32 to 0.67 [ again the value of Run And Skip CD value ]
19 Bench Warrent [4,1,12,0,1] DP 18 DI 1.57 CD 0.39
20 Mumbles Head [3,3,6,0,2] DP 14 DI 1.80 CD 0.36
The penultimate group is the. NEGATIVE group and this group has similar values to the slightly negative group but for only one while the other is beyond the sample range.
21 Mark The Book [1,10,7,0,0] DP 18 DI 4.14 CD 0.67
Finally our last group EXTREMELY NEGATIVE in this group both our DI and CD is beyond the sample range or our DP is in single figures.
22 As De Fer [1,1,4,0,2] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 1.00 CD -0.13
22 Ballyfoy [0,0,1,0,7] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 0.33 CD -0.44
22 Cappa Bleu [0,1,7,0,0] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 1.29 CD 0.13
22 Chicago Grey [1,2,,5,0,0] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 2.20 CD 0.50
22 Le Beau Bai. [1,0,4,3,0] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 0.60 CD -0.13
22 Neptune Equester [0,1,4,1,2] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 0.60 CD -0.50
22 Nine De Silova [0,0,6,2,0] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 0.60 CD -0.25
22 Viking Blond [0,0,8,0,0] DP 8 [dosage weak ] DI 1.00 CD 0.00
30 Knighton Combe [2,0,3,1,0] DP 6 [dosage weak ] DI 1.40 CD 0.50
30 Or Noir De Somoza [0,0,4,2,0] DP 6 [dosage weak ] DI 0.50 CD -0.33
32 Lochan Lacha [1,0,2,1,0] DP 4 [dosage weak ] DI 1.00 CD 0.25
32 Mon Mome [1,1,2,0,0] DP 4 [dosage weak ] DI 3.00 CD 0.75
#10
December 24th, 2011 15:09
well I’ve run out of time and looks like everyone else has, off to catch the iron horse…
I’ve got no further in choosing but am going to remain loyal and pick between the following
Syncronised
Giles Cross
Carruthers
Any Currency
Ballyfitz- my outsider already on ofcourse
Merry christmas Minne, Mo, Matriarch, Pablo, Showlad, Systemsman, Crispy, Slingy, Billy, Flingy and titch! and all you other excellent people here
#11
December 24th, 2011 15:26
oh or Galaxy,…. ah dear square one for me. Good luck all and enjoy the race if not christmas ay
#12
December 24th, 2011 15:49
And to you KJ! Merry Christmas everyone! No racing today or tomoz, anyone got any trends for Portman Park??? Haha!
Welsh Nash, Im sticking with my GG’s, Galaxy and Giles, added Le Beau as well. Have a profitable Christmas and don’t back any Turkeys!
#13
December 24th, 2011 21:24
My four:
Any Currency
Cappa Bleu
As Der Fer
Giles Cross
Outsider: Mumbles Head
#14
December 24th, 2011 23:35
Jingle Bells kj and everyone.
Now, what about a few stats for this mighty race.
From crisp –
30/30 aged 6-10
20/20 20-54 days last time out
20/20 top6 last time out, 18/20 top4
20/20 4 or more chase runs
18/20 top3 C1 chase
18/20 won 1 of last 7 chases
17/19 top2 in handicap chase
15/19 won handicap chase
17/18 won 2 chases
14/16 50% chase win place s/r
14/16 20% chase win s/r
14/14 11 or more chase/hurdle runs
11/11 50% chase/hurdle win place s/r
#15
December 24th, 2011 23:41
Price 17/20 6/4 – 14/1 (others 16,20,25)
#16
December 24th, 2011 23:57
20/20 had 1 – 2 prep runs (50/50 split).
This does not bode well for Le Beau Bai with 4 preps but I still fancy him and have a few bob on.
From Pablo -
11/12 had run in a 30f+ chase.
#17
December 25th, 2011 07:51
4 for welsh Giles cross, any currency, Ballyfitz, Capps bleu.
2 nicholls runners I fancy to run big raced r rock on ruby (Xmas hurdle) and silvianco conti (feltham)
#18
December 25th, 2011 07:52
Good luck everyone
#19
December 25th, 2011 12:18
Merry Xmas everyone!
Chicago Grey out because of travel problems. Shame, but don’t think he would have liked the ground anyway
#20
December 25th, 2011 16:18
Merry Christmas All
Hi Speedy
So looks like Neptune (from betting) and Chicago out. If Synchro out then Ballyfitz should creep in
One of my picks
#21
December 25th, 2011 16:58
Merry christmas, everybody!!!
I think I’ll give my selections for Welsh National.
Cannington Brook my top selection, then
Giles Cross
Victory Blond &
Synchronised
are my three (anywhere)
#22
December 25th, 2011 17:00
Yep, think Neptune is declared for tomorrow (and has a chance) so won’t run at Chepstow
I’m slowly warming to Ballyfitz these days!
#23
December 25th, 2011 17:50
Merry Christmas ASM
Speedy Ballyfitz is my big ew tip and without fence blundering could be there or therabouts at the finish too (tho 3rd or 4th more likely;) Get the 25s available at Corals before it goes
That’s 8.25/1 for the place.
#24
December 26th, 2011 11:55
Synchronised misses Welsh National for Lexus!!
By Andrew King 9:01AM 26 DEC 2011
SYNCHRONISED, favourite for the Coral Welsh National at 6-1 with Paddy Power, will miss the race in favour of the Lexus Chase at Leopardstown.
Winner of the race last season, connections of the Jonjo O’Neill-trained eight-year-old had stated preference for the Grade 1 at Leopardstown last week, and confirmed that plan of action on Monday.
O’Neill said: “We talked it over, and decided that to try and give weight away all round at Chepstow in very testing conditions wouldn’t really be fair on the horse and he will now go to Ireland for the Lexus.
“Although that is not an easy option he deserves to take his chance and to win a bit of prize-money.”
#25
December 26th, 2011 12:04
Ballfitz should now get in
#26
December 26th, 2011 12:05
King George for me:
KAUTO win with Sommersby 14/1 and Nacarat 66/1 my ew tips;)
#27
December 26th, 2011 12:13
Sommersby copuld be the real surprise package and I think 24f could suit him down to a tee – could well spring a big un’ – 14/1 excellent value Ladbrokes
#28
December 26th, 2011 12:17
Sommersby 2/1 the place only with still 3 places on betfair – all rest of bookies 2 places
#29
December 26th, 2011 17:13
Get in Kauto
Sommersby 1/2 length from third…
#30
December 26th, 2011 21:29
Pity about Chicago Grey, the race would have told us a bit more about him re GN. Synchronised might end up a lb or two better off unless he goes very close in the Lexus.
Plenty in with a chance but using the above stats I think Giles Cross is the perfect match. I also like Any Currency and Le Beau Bai, even with his 4 preps. Only 2/31 winners have carried more than 11.06 so the tiny one – Carruthers – is up against it, especially if the ground is holding, which he hates. GN wise I would rather see him finish a distant 3rd and then maybe the owners might find 1 or 500,000 reasons to run him in the GN.
#31
December 26th, 2011 23:10
Welsh National tomoz, I’ve been through the stats again and dropped a ‘G’ Galaxy Rock has gone…think the ground will be a problem, Im sticking with my other ‘G’ Giles Cross and my old mate Le Beau Bai, loves these conditions, loves Chepstow and is helped by his low OR. I think these two will be slogging it out at the end. Good luck everyone. P.S Kauto was amazing today!
#32
December 26th, 2011 23:18
Still sifting Welsh National – but for Miinnehoma and fellow Le Beau Bai fans, including myself – Narvik, Peaty Sandy, Corbiere and Run And Skip won a December Welsh National back in 80′s with 3-4 preps.
Carruthers, Blazing Bailey, Galaxy Rock, Giles Cross and Le Beau Bai made my shorlist.
Le Beau Bai came back to some sort of form with that recent win. He loves Chepstow, narrowly beaten by Dream Alliance and Silver By Nature on an OR143 here two years ago (Miko De Beauchene 4th) and he’s still only 8 years old.
#33
December 27th, 2011 00:18
Fair dinkum crisp re prep runs.
It will be interesting to see how Blazing Bailey runs in the race.
#34
December 27th, 2011 00:39
Stan James have gone down to 5-1 on Le Beau Bai. Interesting.
#35
December 27th, 2011 01:11
What about young Brendan Powell’s horse?
#36
December 27th, 2011 10:54
Maureen, He’s a wee bit old at 11 but he did win a 28f C1 Hcap 22K in june.
Hey Big Spender -
Tizzard thinks he will be ideally suited by the unique demands of the race.
“He’s 17hh and is well-built horse. We’ve had this race in mind for him for 3 or 4 years. We’ve always thought he’d be a Welsh National horse one day so we’ll go there and he’ll have a good chance”.
I wonder could he do a Silver By Nature Haydock job.
#37
December 27th, 2011 11:05
I’ve always liked Hey Big Spender, he never seemed to reach his potential? Maybe this slightly longer trip, and ground he has won on will suit him.
My outsider for a place Indifference Curve, loves the ground, nice weight too, big step in class, but worth a squid ew for me.
Back later…..good luck today.
#38
December 27th, 2011 11:09
HBS not consistant is really what mean, I remeber watching him jumping thinking he’s really good, but then next time out he’s not so hot, not one for me to put too much on every time, infact I didn’t do him lto and he won!!
It may be the class factor too, just in lesser company he shines?
#39
December 27th, 2011 11:44
maureen
There are worse 10-20/1 shots let alone 50/1 than Knighton Combe. He’s run well in the Kent National, which is a race that has produced Scottish and Midlands National winners in recent years, so I certainly wouldn’t put you off having a couple a quid on him. Proven stayer in a number of underfoot conditions. Also like the fact he had an easy prep over hurdles where he wasn’t “bashed” about. I can’t see him winning but I can’t see him being the first to cry enough either.
#40
December 27th, 2011 12:27
My computer is painfully slow at the moment, which has stopped me looking at the race properly, but I do like Knighton Combe, As de Fer,Le Beau Bai, Ballyfitz and Bench Warrent [the latter only being because of his weight; doesn't seem to have much else going for him].
#41
December 27th, 2011 12:37
Mind you, have just realised Giles Cross has only got 10.6 [and Le Beau Bai even less].
#42
December 27th, 2011 12:44
Miinnehoma, Matriarch, 7T, Jacks and Cripsy – hello all, great to see you
Don’t forget your truly valued votes to be by the stroke of the last second of this year
Gosh…end of another year. Well it’s Christams time and Welsh National time – so Merry Christmas and Good Luck today.
Relishing today’s race and this lovely chilled out festive vibe!
Posting up my tips and analysis imminently
#43
December 27th, 2011 12:44
And Mo – Merry Christmas
#44
December 27th, 2011 13:06
Hey big spender for me,top weight no problem.just had 25 e/w 20/1. Happy new year
#45
December 27th, 2011 13:26
Unlike it’s Grand National cousin, to me today’s Welsh does not boast the top weights with anything like the credentials that Don’t Push It, Comply, Hedgehunter or next year Oscar or Ballabriggs bring to the table.
Massively underline this with today’s huge heavy going marathon and the top weights look even less attractive.
For me it’s either the weight, the going or indeed the patchy form that makes me look elsewhere. Also, who may go off fav, good luck to all on Viking Blond, but for me, his sheer lack of PROVEN class, and no win over £4k, sees me dismiss him too.
So down to Showlad’s 4 against the field and his danger horse.
GILES CROSS A class act who for me would have no doubt at all haved to have settled for another place today had Synchronised turned up, who would have undoubtedly added a 2nd Welsh to his scalps. But with no Synchro, and nicely weighted, Giles really is going to be right up there today – either wearing down the field and deservedly winning or just finding one too many at the run in. My tip for this race as soon as last year’s finished, bar the Synchro ‘thorn in his side’ factor.
LE BEAU BAI This REALLY could be this super little horses day to shine. A super streak of form saw him fav 2 years ago and he ran, a more fitting I felt, creditable 3rd place. Now, bang back on form and carrying 10-01 (8lbs less than Viking) 2 years older and wiser, and will love the going – he could just have Giles in tears again as the bridesmaid.
BALLYFITZ – with bet 365, sky and paddy paying 5 places and incredibly 20/1 STILL AVAILABLE, Ballyfitz represents THE best bet and value of the race. 5th then 4th in this race, can they finally get him close enough to the finish, so that when his super stamina zones in he is fighting for the gold? Maybe. But a place certainly seems to beckon for this great horse and GET ON for hopefully a lovely ew return. If any horse deserves to finally win a big one it’s this horse.
OUR ISLAND For me the one to watch of the progressors, an unknown quantity at this mammoth distance and on his feather weight and the going, Our Island really could steal the prize and take it back to his Island
Danger Horse!! BLAZING BAILEY For me is the REAL threat of the top weights. This WONDERFUL horse is such a class act, but he only goes when he feels a refreshing challenge. Hopefully this going, course and distance could be just the change of scene for him to arrive with his top game. After an uncomfortable Hennessy on not ideal ground, he will hugely come on for that and will probably feel like he’s died and gone to heaven today. Alan King quietly optimistic of a big run. I have him as the ‘danger horse’ as simply for me it will be all or nothing today. A very poor showing or he could romp it ala Silver By Nature style. Overall it just doesn’t add up for him – but he is the one nagging (sorry couldn’t resist!) runner today that I cannot shake.
Good Luck all
#46
December 27th, 2011 13:31
Rif in the 12.30 ew
#47
December 27th, 2011 13:32
Who obv falls at the first or something judging by betfair lol
#48
December 27th, 2011 13:38
Le Beau Bai for me.
Good luck all.
#49
December 27th, 2011 13:40
At least he got round Showlad!!
#50
December 27th, 2011 13:43
Lol Jacks – placed bet last min and then he zoomed out to 1000/1 right away – did he get left at the start and then keep going or something?
#51
December 27th, 2011 13:47
Hi Showlad. Yes, Alan King has to be respected in this race, does he not. Another horses that was touted at our NH preview was Viking Blond. You’d have to say that Sam would be riding Ballyfitz if he thought he had a chance of winning. Viking Blond seems to like Chepstow as well,although the pundit who told us about him said he was very much a speed horses. For some reason I can’t get on the racecaller site at the moment that always gives to stats for these races, but I’m pretty sure that course form was a 10/10 stat. Very much looking forward to the race. God luck everybody!
#52
December 27th, 2011 13:51
Win bets for me on:
Giles Cross
Galaxy Rock
Main e/w bet:
Any currency
Speculative e/w bet:
Indifference Curve
Watching that first race, the ground didn’t actually look that testing for Chepstow standards and they finished with quite a flourish. Therefore, despite any official going description, I have just about crossed Le Beau Bai off my list as don’t think it will be quite testing enough for him
#53
December 27th, 2011 13:56
Yes Showlad, he was about 20/25 lenths behind, jock did really well to get him interested again!
#54
December 27th, 2011 13:59
Afternoon all.
Another good day of racing, shame I have family around so probably won’t get to see the welsh national in real time. My bets for the day
1pm stow 5.5/1 and 25/1 on Mobasher if he turns up recent form is very poor though
#55
December 27th, 2011 14:01
On Mob too NP
Hi NP and Speedy
Yay nearly the whole gang – where’s Systemsman?
Neil not been on for a time?
#56
December 27th, 2011 14:05
130 chance du Roy and take the breeze
210 main bet Le beau bau 10/1, ante post Galaxy rock 12/1
Outsiders hey big spender 37/1 and blazing bailey 32/1 will try and get around 50/1 on the win only for these two also and blazing bailey for a place only
245 French import kappa de cerisy 9/1 let’s hope it is a good as import as a bottle of margeaux I had over Christmas!
Enjoy the racing everyone and on Bbc 2 so everyone can watch as well
#57
December 27th, 2011 14:09
OK time to separate them:
1 LE BEAU BAI
2 GILES CROSS
3 BALLYFITZ
4 OUR ISLAND
BLAZING BAILEY (1st or last??)
#58
December 27th, 2011 14:09
Don’t know who got that one, but can guarantee both mine were suffering a boxing day hangover, stow must of had a dodgy mince pie to put in such a poor showing!
Anyone get the winner?
#59
December 27th, 2011 14:12
Lol NP. Nostalgia fun bet for the next too? Pigeon, Nozic?
#60
December 27th, 2011 14:14
Kemp ton
125 peddles cross
240 wishfull thinking
Hi Showlad
with Blazing Bailey you may even get a 1st fence spectacular fall, is a hit and miss performer!!
#61
December 27th, 2011 14:17
1.30 PLEIN POUVOIR
#62
December 27th, 2011 14:18
Not for me NP. Got on Stow
1.30 Cadoudalas ew. Quincy win.
#63
December 27th, 2011 14:38
Ive been talking to myself on the other thread and thought I would pop over to this thread and lo and behold you are all here !
#64
December 27th, 2011 14:39
Well done Jacks
#65
December 27th, 2011 14:39
Woo hoo
#66
December 27th, 2011 14:39
Easy winner there well done Jackie
#67
December 27th, 2011 14:40
I got 3rd there ew with Consigliere for my lucky 15 so not all bad
#68
December 27th, 2011 14:43
Thanks, got him at 9/2 this morning.
#69
December 27th, 2011 14:47
1.giles cross
2.any currency
3.master overseer
good luck all
#70
December 27th, 2011 14:48
Welsh National about to be run (at the time of posting) would it effect our outlook of the Grand National in April. Remember today’s going is HEAVY.
#71
December 27th, 2011 15:00
I have heard every horse in this race tipped by st least one person in the papers and on tv……..an open race then!!! Good luck everyone!
#72
December 27th, 2011 15:01
Gone with choices Beau Bai and Giles Cross with Indifference Curve and Any Curr ew.
#73
December 27th, 2011 15:04
Hi JJF, Slingy and ASM
Call it JJF
ASM not too much of bearing methinks – can be done in one year – but a lot to ask and heavy will flag up red herrings methinks too
#74
December 27th, 2011 15:07
Hi Shadow gald to see you are still keeping up the good work , my 3 are going to be Giles Cross win , As De Fer & Knighton Combe both ew , good luck all , God Bless
#75
December 27th, 2011 15:22
WD Winners did K Combe get fifth ??
#76
December 27th, 2011 15:25
get in Showlad’s 1-2!!!!!!!!!!! Well done All!!!!!!!!
12.26 today: LE BEAU BAI This REALLY could be this super little horses day to shine. A super streak of form saw him fav 2 years ago and he ran, a more fitting I felt, creditable 3rd place. Now, bang back on form and carrying 10-01 (8lbs less than Viking) 2 years older and wiser, and will love the going – he could just have Giles in tears again as the bridesmaid.
Then:
Showlad
December 27th, 2011 14:09
OK time to separate them:
1 LE BEAU BAI
2 GILES CROSS
#77
December 27th, 2011 15:26
did you do the forcast showlad good call if you did even better
#78
December 27th, 2011 15:27
Honestly Shadow , Ive been away for ages and come back , feels like nothing has changed you still coming up trumps fella , VWD !
#79
December 27th, 2011 15:28
I am SO pleased Team off to a flyer
#80
December 27th, 2011 15:31
Anyone heard who got fifth ??? I had K Combe with Paddy P who are paying fifth .
#81
December 27th, 2011 15:33
What ON EARTH happened to Ballyfitz today??
#82
December 27th, 2011 15:37
Cannington Brooke 5th
#83
December 27th, 2011 15:39
Was never going, was he. Fantastic race. Got to feel for Giles Cross, but this was Le Beau Bai’s National and he deserved it [too small for Aintree?].
#84
December 27th, 2011 15:40
Well done Le Beau Bai and Giles Cross
#85
December 27th, 2011 15:41
Cheers Shadow and LBB won that well , not sure if he would handle the bigger fences at Aintree though
#86
December 27th, 2011 15:41
Will any of them feature in the main event though
remember the going today was HEAVY!!!
#87
December 27th, 2011 15:44
Brilliant Barca and Captain Sharpe ew fun to close the day
#88
December 27th, 2011 15:46
What a way to end the year! Well done Showlad and others. Glad I dropped Galaxy. The one two for me.
#89
December 27th, 2011 15:50
finians rainbow did anyone just watch that race
#90
December 27th, 2011 15:55
Brilliant Matriarch
Well done all Team
Bodes well for the big one
Bye for now.
#91
December 27th, 2011 15:59
1-2. Had a £ on RFC too and won £78!! Thanks for your thoughts, your choices swayed me in this one i have to admit. Thanks all.
I also had a few pennies on the 50/1 4th, at the last minute, as C4 was talking about his weight being so low.
#92
December 27th, 2011 16:00
Didn’t see it, sorry sling.
#93
December 27th, 2011 17:30
Didn’t watch the race, slingy, but heard it on William Hill radio; sounded VERY exciting!
#94
December 27th, 2011 18:06
Had Le Beau Bai in last year’s Grand National.
Didn’t think he’ll get in so left him alone until the last moment when he made the reserve list the night before. So went out and backed him as soon as possible, just in case. Got 100/1 for him.
He won’t be 100/1 this year if he gets in.
#95
December 27th, 2011 23:34
Well done team, off to a flyer with a 10/1 scoop. A favoured horse by quite a few of us , so some happy faces after the race, shame I couldn’t watch it. Didn’t see FR race Slingy but had 2nd place so looked like a nail biter on paper.
#96
December 28th, 2011 17:18
Well done friends! wish I’d been around to see what you all posted late christmas eve/ day re the welsh…. and got to watch it…boo.
poor Giles hey.
Merry Christmas
Think I would have been convinced to trust Le BB was back to form and worth a punt
Had no internet connection so oh well, but managed to sneak off put the tv on for five mins and will my precious…Kauto Star, safely around. What magic to see him win after jumping so majestically, what a feeling
Managed to get on Syncronised yesterday, home now and just watched replay,….. o christmas joy! and theres christmas joy all over this site, you winners you
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