Comments on: Grand National 2010: The Irish Challenge http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/ Grand National Discussion, Analysis and Best Bets Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:04:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pablo http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-33410 Pablo Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:07:12 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-33410 Charlie Swan has stated that Offshore Account and Oodachee will be trained for the National He wasn't happy that One Cool Cookie was allotted 153 for this year's race With Denman being trained for the Gold Cup, unless Madison Du Berlais shows up (and he could easily go for the Aintree Bowl again instead), it looks as though Mon Mome might be top weight off around 161 (Venetias Williams has said that he will go for it again) This might mean that One Cool Cookie will have >11'0 because once the handicapper has given an Aintree rating he seldom drops it by very much (Butler's Cabin was OR 135 but GN rated 147 - logic says that he will be lower this year but since when have logic and GN ratings joined forces?) Charlie Swan has stated that Offshore Account and Oodachee will be trained for the National

He wasn’t happy that One Cool Cookie was allotted 153 for this year’s race

With Denman being trained for the Gold Cup, unless Madison Du Berlais shows up (and he could easily go for the Aintree Bowl again instead), it looks as though Mon Mome might be top weight off around 161 (Venetias Williams has said that he will go for it again)

This might mean that One Cool Cookie will have >11’0 because once the handicapper has given an Aintree rating he seldom drops it by very much (Butler’s Cabin was OR 135 but GN rated 147 – logic says that he will be lower this year but since when have logic and GN ratings joined forces?)

]]> By: maureen http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-33403 maureen Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:38:06 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-33403 One Cool Cookie will be the perfect age next year, but not sure about his handicap rating; may be a tad high [was he a bit of a dodgy jumper a while ago?]. One Cool Cookie will be the perfect age next year, but not sure about his handicap rating; may be a tad high [was he a bit of a dodgy jumper a while ago?].

]]> By: maureen http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-33400 maureen Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:34:12 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-33400 A horse that I was very sweet on for the National last year was Roll Along; sadly he didn't run mainly because of his Gold Cup exertions [sp]; not sure what the plans are for him this year, but I think he has a good staying pedigree [needs a good gap between races as well]. Not sure who he's with this year, either. A horse that I was very sweet on for the National last year was Roll Along; sadly he didn’t run mainly because of his Gold Cup exertions [sp]; not sure what the plans are for him this year, but I think he has a good staying pedigree [needs a good gap between races as well]. Not sure who he’s with this year, either.

]]> By: Ben Aitken http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-33029 Ben Aitken Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:47:41 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-33029 Arbor Supreme also has Busted in his bloodline, this was highlighted as a positive on one of the other threads. Arbor Supreme also has Busted in his bloodline, this was highlighted as a positive on one of the other threads.

]]> By: Ben Aitken http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-33028 Ben Aitken Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:45:26 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-33028 Arbor Supreme Dosage - 4-1-3-4-4(16)/0.68/-0.19 looks like a contender One Cool Cookie - Tasty lookin Dosage figures I would say (no pun intended there!) A majority of the Grand National Trials are also put under the spotlight in my book. Not long till release date now.... Arbor Supreme Dosage – 4-1-3-4-4(16)/0.68/-0.19
looks like a contender

One Cool Cookie – Tasty lookin Dosage figures I would say (no pun intended there!)

A majority of the Grand National Trials are also put under the spotlight in my book. Not long till release date now….

]]> By: Pablo http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-32903 Pablo Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:37:53 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-32903 Anyone have views on One Cool Cookie's pedigree? Looks pretty good to me = 3-1-6-4-2; 0.78; -0.06 Sire = Old Vic (Vimy influence same as Busted; sire of Comply Or Die) Dam influences = Montelimar (sire of Monty's Pass & Hedgehunter) & Vulgan (sire of Gay Trip, dam influence in Corbiere, West Tip, Royal Athlete & Numbersixvalverde) Was allotted 153 last year but didn't take part - same rating given to other Irish horses = Black Apalachi, Presists Leap & Hear The Echo Now rating is down to 143 Anyone have views on One Cool Cookie’s pedigree?

Looks pretty good to me = 3-1-6-4-2; 0.78; -0.06

Sire = Old Vic (Vimy influence same as Busted; sire of Comply Or Die)

Dam influences = Montelimar (sire of Monty’s Pass & Hedgehunter) & Vulgan (sire of Gay Trip, dam influence in Corbiere, West Tip, Royal Athlete & Numbersixvalverde)

Was allotted 153 last year but didn’t take part – same rating given to other Irish horses = Black Apalachi, Presists Leap & Hear The Echo

Now rating is down to 143

]]> By: Pablo http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-32684 Pablo Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:35:06 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-32684 My Irish shortlist is very similar to The Stayer's - Black Apalachi, One Cool Cookie, Snowy Morning of the higher weighted horses and Church Island, Arbor Supreme and Offshore Account of those with a lower weight. I couldn't back Offshore Account last year but feel that he ran an incredible race seeing as it was only his first chase start for nearly 18 months - he cannot have been properly fit and yet was bang there with 2 fences left and although weakening still completed the course. I am slightly concerned by the Strong Gale on the dam's side but will be keeping an eye on him this season as he looks very well-handicapped (Hennessy perhaps). My Irish shortlist is very similar to The Stayer’s – Black Apalachi, One Cool Cookie, Snowy Morning of the higher weighted horses and Church Island, Arbor Supreme and Offshore Account of those with a lower weight.

I couldn’t back Offshore Account last year but feel that he ran an incredible race seeing as it was only his first chase start for nearly 18 months – he cannot have been properly fit and yet was bang there with 2 fences left and although weakening still completed the course.

I am slightly concerned by the Strong Gale on the dam’s side but will be keeping an eye on him this season as he looks very well-handicapped (Hennessy perhaps).

]]> By: TC http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-32361 TC Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:04:37 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-32361 Arbor Suprmeme has just been entered into the betfair betting market, are the dosage indexes available for this one. Has plenty of stamina for a young horse, could be a year early for the national i feel though Arbor Suprmeme has just been entered into the betfair betting market, are the dosage indexes available for this one. Has plenty of stamina for a young horse, could be a year early for the national i feel though

]]> By: The Stayer http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-31068 The Stayer Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:41:01 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-31068 Did some 10-year research before the race last year but have added the 2008 renewal to these stats: Winning ages - 6(1), 7(3), 8(4), 9(3) ORs - Last 11 winners rated between 111 - 135, with 6 of those rated 120-130. Winning weight - weight carried ranges between 9-0 and 12-0!! Favs - No winners and only 4 placed in last 11 renewals. Form of last outing - 0,1,1,2,1,3,4,1,U,1,5 Days since last outing - This is interesting. 2 of the last 11 winners had a prep run in early Sept and another 7 had an outing in August. The other 2 winners had runs in July and June. Just had a quick look through and the following caught my attention: Knock On The Head Anothercoppercoast Line Ball Changing Course Not a race I will get involved in massively but if any of those are an e/w price I might have a dabble. Did some 10-year research before the race last year but have added the 2008 renewal to these stats:

Winning ages – 6(1), 7(3), 8(4), 9(3)
ORs – Last 11 winners rated between 111 – 135, with 6 of those rated 120-130.
Winning weight – weight carried ranges between 9-0 and 12-0!!
Favs – No winners and only 4 placed in last 11 renewals.
Form of last outing – 0,1,1,2,1,3,4,1,U,1,5
Days since last outing – This is interesting. 2 of the last 11 winners had a prep run in early Sept and another 7 had an outing in August. The other 2 winners had runs in July and June.

Just had a quick look through and the following caught my attention:
Knock On The Head
Anothercoppercoast
Line Ball
Changing Course

Not a race I will get involved in massively but if any of those are an e/w price I might have a dabble.

]]> By: Neil http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2010/grand-national-2010-the-irish-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-31051 Neil Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:20:21 +0000 http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/?p=267#comment-31051 Does anyone have any useful stats on the Kerry National, please? Does anyone have any useful stats on the Kerry National, please?

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