Hear The Echo: Do The Odds Reflect His True Chance In The Grand National?

Let’s leave aside all the business with War Of Attrition and Mouse Morris saying Hear The Echo wasn’t going to run etc – we have debated that on other threads – but do we think Hear The Echo can actually win the Grand National?

POSITIVES:
Young and improving: A lot has been written about the benefits of experience around Aintree but surely being an up and coming chaser must also count for a lot? At eight years old Hear The Echo should be in his prime

Won the Irish Grand National: The Irish Grand National has become a great trial for the Aintree equivalent with a number of horses running in both races. Bobbyjo and Numbersixvalverde won at Aintree and Fairyhouse.

Proven stamina and ability to go on good ground: His win at Fairyhouse illustrates his ability to go at least 3m 6f and it also showed good ground holds no fears for him. It also demonstrates that he has the class to win a race of this nature – how many other horses in this race would be able to win a race worth 100k?

NEGATIVES:

Jumping: For me this is the big sticking point. Hear The Echo has now fell or unseated four times in his career – a very large amount for a potential Grand National winner. On the positive side of that argument Fairyhouse is a very tough track to jump round and he managed that well last year so perhaps his jumping problems are largely behind him and his latest error was just a tired fall over a distance too short?

Weight: It’s well documented that horses with more than 11stone tend to fare badly in the Grand National although there is an argument that this might come to an end now we are getting better horses attracted to the race. However, 11 stone 5lb seems a hefty enough weight compared to another Irish Grand National winner Butlers Cabin who races off 10st 13lb.

These are just a few of the plusses and minuses about a very interesting (and controversial?) horse. But can he win a Grand National?

Tell us what you think?

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11 Responses to Hear The Echo: Do The Odds Reflect His True Chance In The Grand National?

  1. crisp 73 says:

    3 falls/ur wouldn’t necessarily rule out a horse for me as long as his other stats/form holds up, (2/14 GN had more than three) though 3 for only an eight year old, nowadays, is high. Hasn’t finished in top 4 chase/top 3 hurdle, 41/41, this season. Stats don’t look good for those above halfway in the handicap, 18/18 were in bottom half of handicap(this year that’s 10-13 or less). And I think he is 8lbs ‘wrong’ at the weights, OR was 145 but alloted 153 by handicapper.
    On the plus side all horses improve from 7yr old to 8 and some improve immeasurably and perhaps it will take an extreme test to bring out the best in Hear The Echo.

  2. The Shark says:

    all horses improve from 7yr old to 8 and some improve immeasurably and perhaps it will take an extreme test to bring out the best in Hear The Echo.

    Agree Crisp and think that sums it up nicely for any Hear The Echo fans.

    He’s been very well hidden since his Irish National win at the age of 7 so just how much he has improved is difficult to know for sure.

    Hard I think not to at the very least have a saver on him – becuase you would have no right to be shocked if he does win.

  3. Systemsman says:

    11.05 no way. Sorry.

    A ONE big win wonder. Given under 11.00 he would have had a chance Still I have a very early (before weights) large bet on him that is still running which I thought would not happen. If he wins the trends with regard to both OR and weight go bust.

  4. Neil says:

    Systemsman, why does the trend with OR and Weights go bust.Granted he’s high in the weights but he just within the limit.The limit being 11 stones 5 pounds.

  5. Neil says:

    Racing Post says that a strong pace will sort out his jumping.That must help him.His trainer says he’s 110% fit all this must be great for his chances and he just fits all the stats,even a great effort over hurdles in Leopardstown.For me I don’t have to look any further.

  6. mattzz says:

    surely hes too heavy, before the weights went up i had him on my short list, had to cross him off though now

  7. samuraikenny says:

    MY PORTFOLIO ON HEAR THE ECHO IS TOPSY/TURVEY
    I BACKED “ECHO” AT 20/1 IN JANUARY,I THEN HAD SEVERAL MORE BETS
    THEN TRAINER SAID UN LIKELY TO RUN SO I LAYED OFF,
    THEN HE RE / DECLARES IT! SO I STARTED TO RE BACK IT ,AND IT,S
    DRIFTING MY BEST INVESTMENT IS,my will / &40/1 25/1 20/1 14/1
    MY SELF AND ALL MY FAMILY ARE SITTING WITH CROSSED FINGERS

    “hear the ECHO ,IN OUR HOUSE WHEN “MY WILL WINS

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  9. Muppet76 says:

    RIP Hear The Echo just after reading in Sunday newspaper today that he suffered heart attack after the race and died hope he’s in a better place .

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