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		<title>By: Daniel Edwards</title>
		<link>http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2008/how-to-narrow-down-the-gn-field/comment-page-12/#comment-11169</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reflection I would perhaps put RPR above days since last run in order of importance.</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel,
thanks for that. I&#039;ll get cracking now eliminating some of these.
Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel,<br />
thanks for that. I&#8217;ll get cracking now eliminating some of these.<br />
Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Edwards</title>
		<link>http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/grand-national-2008/how-to-narrow-down-the-gn-field/comment-page-12/#comment-10990</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Happy to have a stab at this one!

To me the NUMBER 1 has to be;

1- AGE

No horse aged 6,7,1 or 14 has even PLACED in the GN since 1969.  No horse any of these ages have won since 1940.
This makes age the most important stat in my book.  It makes sense as you need to have experience to get round 
such a tough test, and you need to be at your peak to mix with the best staying chasers around.

2- WEIGHT

If you look at those horses who place in the race, each year they tend to be weighted below 11 stone.  
Since Corbiere in 1983, only Hedgehunter has won carrying more than 11 stone.  
In the last 10 years, out of 72 RUNNERS carrying MORE than 11 stone, only 25 horses have FINISHED, and
only 7 horses have PLACED in the first 4.  A 10% strike rate just for a place is not very good I think!
This relevance of this is obviously because it is hard to give weight to the rest of the field over such 
4 and a half miles.

3- A WIN OVER 3 MILES OR MORE

This stat is true since 1970, and makes sense for obvious reasons! Any horse with insufficient stamina cannot
win the Grand National.  I have put this one a bit lower due to KJC coming close last year, and of course the fact
you could feasibly have a horse who has never won over 3 miles but has finished 2nd over, say, 4 miles who by doing  
so has proved he has the stamina.

4- DAYS SINCE LAST RUN

This one needs to be treated with a bit of caution as the goalposts are always changing. Before Hedgehunter, people said
the last run of a GN winner had to be within 45 days.  Now this has become 48 days because of Hedgehunter.  Personally I would
say a horse needs to have had his last run within a period of 14-49 days (or 2 -7 weeks) before the national.  Do not rule out
a horse with a run 13 or 50,51,52 ish days before though purely on this basis.

5- RPR

Not less than 145 to be safe, although if you want to ignore Red Maurader&#039;s victory as a fluke, then you can say not less than 148.  
This won&#039;t rule out many horses each year though I find.

Just doing the above 5 rules will leave you with about 10-14 horses.  And it will have found you the winner in each of the last 10 
years and beyond!

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Happy to have a stab at this one!</p>
<p>To me the NUMBER 1 has to be;</p>
<p>1- AGE</p>
<p>No horse aged 6,7,1 or 14 has even PLACED in the GN since 1969.  No horse any of these ages have won since 1940.<br />
This makes age the most important stat in my book.  It makes sense as you need to have experience to get round<br />
such a tough test, and you need to be at your peak to mix with the best staying chasers around.</p>
<p>2- WEIGHT</p>
<p>If you look at those horses who place in the race, each year they tend to be weighted below 11 stone.<br />
Since Corbiere in 1983, only Hedgehunter has won carrying more than 11 stone.<br />
In the last 10 years, out of 72 RUNNERS carrying MORE than 11 stone, only 25 horses have FINISHED, and<br />
only 7 horses have PLACED in the first 4.  A 10% strike rate just for a place is not very good I think!<br />
This relevance of this is obviously because it is hard to give weight to the rest of the field over such<br />
4 and a half miles.</p>
<p>3- A WIN OVER 3 MILES OR MORE</p>
<p>This stat is true since 1970, and makes sense for obvious reasons! Any horse with insufficient stamina cannot<br />
win the Grand National.  I have put this one a bit lower due to KJC coming close last year, and of course the fact<br />
you could feasibly have a horse who has never won over 3 miles but has finished 2nd over, say, 4 miles who by doing<br />
so has proved he has the stamina.</p>
<p>4- DAYS SINCE LAST RUN</p>
<p>This one needs to be treated with a bit of caution as the goalposts are always changing. Before Hedgehunter, people said<br />
the last run of a GN winner had to be within 45 days.  Now this has become 48 days because of Hedgehunter.  Personally I would<br />
say a horse needs to have had his last run within a period of 14-49 days (or 2 -7 weeks) before the national.  Do not rule out<br />
a horse with a run 13 or 50,51,52 ish days before though purely on this basis.</p>
<p>5- RPR</p>
<p>Not less than 145 to be safe, although if you want to ignore Red Maurader&#8217;s victory as a fluke, then you can say not less than 148.<br />
This won&#8217;t rule out many horses each year though I find.</p>
<p>Just doing the above 5 rules will leave you with about 10-14 horses.  And it will have found you the winner in each of the last 10<br />
years and beyond!</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that the weights have been published, is is possible for some kind person to print a list(s)
of the most important rules for deleting those runners which don&#039;t meet the stats criteria?
If possible in order of importance!
I know, I&#039;m a lazy git but I&#039;m sure some of you can help. It would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that the weights have been published, is is possible for some kind person to print a list(s)<br />
of the most important rules for deleting those runners which don&#8217;t meet the stats criteria?<br />
If possible in order of importance!<br />
I know, I&#8217;m a lazy git but I&#8217;m sure some of you can help. It would be greatly appreciated.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Systemsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Systemsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my own short list for whats its worth.

Its based on (at least ten year trends)
1. Pre Christmas GN winnning trends
2. Main winning trends for GN winner
3. Follow the money trends

Best price excludes interent only betting like Betfair from the other 16 bookies remaining.

Those with only one 40/1 quote or less: six against the field and the most likely winner in this group or at worse in the first nine!.

1. Butlers Cabin       OR 135 Best RPR 150 Best TS 131  Price 20/1 (Coral)
1. Black Apalachi      OR 146      RPR 158      TS 138  Price 20/1 (Coral)
3. Southern Vic        OR 143      RPR 159      TS 146  Price 33/1 (WHill)
4. Hear The Echo       OR 145      RPR 158      TS 133  Price 16/1 (Coral) See Note
5. Himalayan Trail     OR 138      RPR 145      TS 140  Price 40/1 (Lad)
5. Kilbeggan Blade     OR 141      RPR 145      TS 124  Price 40/1 (WHill)

Those with more than one 40/1 quote
6. Parsons Legacy      OR 146      RPR 153      TS 141  Price 40/1 (WHill) 
7. Garde Champetre     OR 144      RPR 154      TS 143  Price 40/1 (Lad) 
8. Darkness            OR 143      RPR 156      TS 133  Price 50/1 (Coral)

Others to consider:
Chelsea Harbour        OR 143 - 9th last year!
Simon                  OR 146 - had his chance!
king Harold            OR 135 - price needs to drop from 50/1

Note: I have been toying with Hear The Echo all week. His rating went up from OR 127 in Dec 2007,
to 132 when he won the Irish National in 2008 to OR 145 now - thats 13lbs more weight to carry than the IN? 
I&#039;am not a fan but just cant leave him of the list. If he in the Fav or JT Fav (when Denman drops out)for the GN 
it has been about 100 years since a consecutive Fav won the GN (ckecked this a few weeks ago but cant remember the date). 
Can anyone out there convince me he can win? (I will have a bet on him just to play safe)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my own short list for whats its worth.</p>
<p>Its based on (at least ten year trends)<br />
1. Pre Christmas GN winnning trends<br />
2. Main winning trends for GN winner<br />
3. Follow the money trends</p>
<p>Best price excludes interent only betting like Betfair from the other 16 bookies remaining.</p>
<p>Those with only one 40/1 quote or less: six against the field and the most likely winner in this group or at worse in the first nine!.</p>
<p>1. Butlers Cabin       OR 135 Best RPR 150 Best TS 131  Price 20/1 (Coral)<br />
1. Black Apalachi      OR 146      RPR 158      TS 138  Price 20/1 (Coral)<br />
3. Southern Vic        OR 143      RPR 159      TS 146  Price 33/1 (WHill)<br />
4. Hear The Echo       OR 145      RPR 158      TS 133  Price 16/1 (Coral) See Note<br />
5. Himalayan Trail     OR 138      RPR 145      TS 140  Price 40/1 (Lad)<br />
5. Kilbeggan Blade     OR 141      RPR 145      TS 124  Price 40/1 (WHill)</p>
<p>Those with more than one 40/1 quote<br />
6. Parsons Legacy      OR 146      RPR 153      TS 141  Price 40/1 (WHill)<br />
7. Garde Champetre     OR 144      RPR 154      TS 143  Price 40/1 (Lad)<br />
8. Darkness            OR 143      RPR 156      TS 133  Price 50/1 (Coral)</p>
<p>Others to consider:<br />
Chelsea Harbour        OR 143 &#8211; 9th last year!<br />
Simon                  OR 146 &#8211; had his chance!<br />
king Harold            OR 135 &#8211; price needs to drop from 50/1</p>
<p>Note: I have been toying with Hear The Echo all week. His rating went up from OR 127 in Dec 2007,<br />
to 132 when he won the Irish National in 2008 to OR 145 now &#8211; thats 13lbs more weight to carry than the IN?<br />
I&#8217;am not a fan but just cant leave him of the list. If he in the Fav or JT Fav (when Denman drops out)for the GN<br />
it has been about 100 years since a consecutive Fav won the GN (ckecked this a few weeks ago but cant remember the date).<br />
Can anyone out there convince me he can win? (I will have a bet on him just to play safe)</p>
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		<title>By: Free Horse Racing Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Horse Racing Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Free Horse Racing Tips...&lt;/strong&gt;

Notable Irish trainers include Dermot Weld, John Oxx and Aidan O\&#039;Brien....</description>
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<p>Notable Irish trainers include Dermot Weld, John Oxx and Aidan O\&#8217;Brien&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Showlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Showlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just back from hols. Thanks to all esp Wacky and Systems Man :) I had a hunch that Butlers and Point would kick back into form and their exp over classy 4m + races (irish national etc) would see them prevail, so in my top 4 guess I didn&#039;t put comply, however, paid my respect to stats and had a large wad on comply (and d&#039;argent) so thanks!!
Now guys Scottish national is a puzzle - but DON&#039;T GIVE UP SYSTEMS MAN,WACKY AND ALL - HELP US OUT WITH UR BEST ESTIMATE - PLS!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just back from hols. Thanks to all esp Wacky and Systems Man <img src='http://blog.grand-national-guide.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I had a hunch that Butlers and Point would kick back into form and their exp over classy 4m + races (irish national etc) would see them prevail, so in my top 4 guess I didn&#8217;t put comply, however, paid my respect to stats and had a large wad on comply (and d&#8217;argent) so thanks!!<br />
Now guys Scottish national is a puzzle &#8211; but DON&#8217;T GIVE UP SYSTEMS MAN,WACKY AND ALL &#8211; HELP US OUT WITH UR BEST ESTIMATE &#8211; PLS!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Systems Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Systems Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thaimark
I make Miko De Beauchene 19 points from 27 so not such a good bet.
Negatives:
OR 153 (OR 132 to 148 9/10 trend, OR 124 to 148 10/10 trend)
RPR rating best 161 - a bit high (RPR 134min to 157 9/10 trend, 134 to 163 10/10)
10.10 - a bit high for recent winners(9.06 to 10.06 5/6 trend [2004 11.12 odd one out], 9.09 to 11.12 10/10)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thaimark<br />
I make Miko De Beauchene 19 points from 27 so not such a good bet.<br />
Negatives:<br />
OR 153 (OR 132 to 148 9/10 trend, OR 124 to 148 10/10 trend)<br />
RPR rating best 161 &#8211; a bit high (RPR 134min to 157 9/10 trend, 134 to 163 10/10)<br />
10.10 &#8211; a bit high for recent winners(9.06 to 10.06 5/6 trend [2004 11.12 odd one out], 9.09 to 11.12 10/10)</p>
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		<title>By: Systems Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Systems Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on current weights (WARNING: they may change!!) so far these runners look good (note: there are still many i have not checked so will post an update soon:
WARNING: Some of these may not run so you might want to wait till next week or you could lose your money

Maximum trend Points 27

Himalayan Trail 27! (Midlands winner - easy win: WARNING Trainer stated it will not run if ground in HY or too soft!)
Old benny

Old Benny 24 (only one chase wins 2 or more Chase wins 10/10 trend. Age 7 - only one winner in last 10 years)

King Harold would also look good if his weight was above his current 9.07 (wiiners weight 9.09 to 10.06 5/6 trend, 9.09 to 11.12 10/1 trend)

A lot more work to do yet. 
So its Hilamlayan Trail advised so far (sorry Brody) if it runs and if his weight does not rise - its the risk you take for an early price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on current weights (WARNING: they may change!!) so far these runners look good (note: there are still many i have not checked so will post an update soon:<br />
WARNING: Some of these may not run so you might want to wait till next week or you could lose your money</p>
<p>Maximum trend Points 27</p>
<p>Himalayan Trail 27! (Midlands winner &#8211; easy win: WARNING Trainer stated it will not run if ground in HY or too soft!)<br />
Old benny</p>
<p>Old Benny 24 (only one chase wins 2 or more Chase wins 10/10 trend. Age 7 &#8211; only one winner in last 10 years)</p>
<p>King Harold would also look good if his weight was above his current 9.07 (wiiners weight 9.09 to 10.06 5/6 trend, 9.09 to 11.12 10/1 trend)</p>
<p>A lot more work to do yet.<br />
So its Hilamlayan Trail advised so far (sorry Brody) if it runs and if his weight does not rise &#8211; its the risk you take for an early price.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaimark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaimark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I checked trends for the Scottish National against the field I was left mith 3:

Mico De B
Himalayan Trial
Old Benny

The OLBG goes for Old Benny and he is proven over this distance but 7 year olds have
a very poor record in this race. Whatsmore, at the weights, Mico holds Old Benny (if 
1lb for 1 length holds true) to the tune of 6 lengths (form line through Over The Creek
and Halcon).

Himalayan Trail did blitz it&#039;s rivals in the Midland National but before that miracle it&#039;s 
form was just appalling. No consistency and the weights rise would probably rule him out.

Mico De B fits all trends, has no negatives and may well be System Mans hourse. But if
Halcon is pulled out Miko&#039;s weight rise will leave him exposed.

For now, it&#039;s a waiting game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I checked trends for the Scottish National against the field I was left mith 3:</p>
<p>Mico De B<br />
Himalayan Trial<br />
Old Benny</p>
<p>The OLBG goes for Old Benny and he is proven over this distance but 7 year olds have<br />
a very poor record in this race. Whatsmore, at the weights, Mico holds Old Benny (if<br />
1lb for 1 length holds true) to the tune of 6 lengths (form line through Over The Creek<br />
and Halcon).</p>
<p>Himalayan Trail did blitz it&#8217;s rivals in the Midland National but before that miracle it&#8217;s<br />
form was just appalling. No consistency and the weights rise would probably rule him out.</p>
<p>Mico De B fits all trends, has no negatives and may well be System Mans hourse. But if<br />
Halcon is pulled out Miko&#8217;s weight rise will leave him exposed.</p>
<p>For now, it&#8217;s a waiting game.</p>
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